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A Bizzare Religious Epiphany...

Fri Oct 23, 2009, 9:15 PM
  • Mood: Content
  • Reading: The Children of Odin/Book of Norse Myths
  • Watching: History Channel
  • Drinking: Pepsi
~~~Shadsie's Art and Musings~~~

I've been working a little bit on "A World of Rusted Dreams."  I'm thinking of probably putting more emphasis on the Guardians as "possibly being delusions" and a lot of emphasis upon them being "as the charge who calls them needs them."

Anyway, I was reading some random blogs tonight on politics and religion.  The one consistent thing that I see just about everywhere that I really like is that "extremes" on all sides seem to be overwhelmed by the moderation of most commentators. As a Moderate-type, I take comfort in that, I really do.

Anyway, most people who read my journal here know that I'm a Christian - I haven't gone to church in a while and I consider myself nondemonimnational, but I am still a part of the "Evil Empire," in some loose way. I am one of those who actually reads and has studied the Bible, however, so I actually *know* about the unpleasnant and controversial bits as well as the "good" stuff that people on "my side" most tout.  And I cringe whenever fellow Christians try to tout the Bible has "having no contradictions" and so forth. I also am a seeker-type personality and I question my faith all the time.  I just happen to always come back to "I still have it," whether others like it or not. I cannot speak for others, even other Christians over what makes one "true," I can only speak for what I believe, how I experience my faith on a personal level, and keep track of trying to do what's right in my own life.

In thinking that, well, I'm pretty much hopeless when it comes to "outgrowing such silly superstitions" as the TV Trope says, I've come to a pretty weird conclusion about Jesus in my life. I may have chosen Christianity some years ago for some basic reasons it just "clicked" with me (converted as a teen), but after having my beliefs in flux over the years, all the thinking and questioning, I have an analogy of where I am now with it. You may find it amusing or just disgusting. Your milage may vary.

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Jesus is like this lovely little benign mole I have on the upper part of my right arm. @_@.  

In my mind/soul/spirit/whatever, he is just "there" much like this mole in my arm is "just there."  

If I were to cut it/him off, a scar would be left.  

I happen to enjoy having it/him around, so I will not be ridding myself (at least not anytime soon).  

If you think that I would be better off without the "mole" and come at me with a razor blade trying to cut it off, I'm gonna run away from you.  If you keep coming at me, I might just take that razor blade and shove it in your face.

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If I didn't see (my perception of) God as having a sense of humor, I would have been doomed long ago.  

And, why yes, this weird rant has a little *something* to do with my creative work, as I mentioned the novel I'm working on above. It's about concepts of faith told in a weird, fantasy-type of way, so, I've had to think a lot about such concepts lately in the real world in order to put them in the fantasy world/fantasy context.

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nataluna Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2012
Hey LSS here
I tried to imagine what you would say about Jesus and a Mole and this is approximately what i expected. Donno what that means about minds LOL
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Katimazie Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009
...That is probably the most hilarious description of religion I've ever heard. Good show!

What's funny is that I'm kind of similar in that I'm too "religious" to be a proper atheist/agnostic. I have a sort of animist belief towards the world, I think of there being some sort of god but more in a "force of creation/destruction" way than an "omnipotent person(s) hanging out somewhere" way, and while I'm kind of wary when it comes to the bible, I consider Jesus to be an okay guy and would probably hang with him if he was ever in the mood to show up.
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Shadsie Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, I feel I'm kind of "caught between," myself. I am a Christian. I believe in the important "core Christianity" things, but I'm *not* a Fundamentalist, I'm not right-wing. I have views on science and politics that put me at odds with my Baptist roots. (Non-denominational now). I feel like I'm "too religious" for most people, but "not religious" enough for most others in my "group." So, when people say that they have a sort of vague belief in something non-specific, I think I understand. It's the whole defying category thing.

Unfortuantely, the mole on my arm is not in the shape of Jesus. I haven't seen him on my morning toast, either. Bummer!
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Grenhoth Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2009
I don't think I've ever heard it put quite that way before. Interesting. :O_o:

To each their own.
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Shadsie Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
What can I say? I think outside the box.

I'm friggin' weird.
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Grenhoth Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009
:clap: I applaud your weirdness.
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Shadsie Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Why be "normal?" Normal is boring. Weird is more fun! :love:
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Grenhoth Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2009
I couldn't agree more. :D
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Moongara Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2009
A most interesting analogy about religion.
As for God having a sense of humor, that's a foregone conclusion. Anyone who has ever searched for their keys and found their keys practically staring at them knows it to be true.
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Shadsie Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
I get a little tired of seeing the implication that I would be a "better person" or "of more general worth to humanity" if I didn't act from (genunine)religious conviction and if I "just lost the J-man."

I even take offense to the idea that "my kind" are going to one day become extinct as humanity "progresses." I'm actually fairly well-educated, and I am still a spiriutal seeker. There are others like this. I've seen them. They will always be around.

Of course, I know that there are many non-religious people who feel the same way from pushy people on the other side.

In the end, all I can say is that some things are "just there," and that these same things are not things that most of us want to get rid of (or even need to get rid of - that is, on an indivudal basis, not speaking on a society-wide one).

Oh, yes, keys. Sometimes, I think God has a cruel sense of humor. Also, platypus.
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Moongara Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009
While I am not Christian, I am Pagan, I understand the frustration that comes of having ones religious convictions questioned by people who think they are better than you because you believe and they don't (I have the same problem all too often). By the way, anyone who thinks that religion is going the way of the dodo bird is nuts, the beginning of religious expression is what marked the beginning of civilization, anthropologically speaking.
Some thing are "just there" as you say. I always wonder about atheists, it must be very hard to stick to believing there is nothing beyond humans in the universe when a tornado runs over a town and flattens it or a hurricane levels a city. Nothing says "know your place, mortal" like that.

Another argument in favor of God (or the Gods...I am Pagan after all) having a sense of humor comes from my grocery store days. I used to have to put back returned items and so many times I would be staring at the items for several minutes before I could see it on the shelf. Its another variation on the key theme. And I agree, the platypus too...maybe the opossum too.
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Shadsie Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Opossums have such interesting skulls...

I remember my days in retail. I can relate. I'm so glad I work in a barn now.

I've actually talked to atheists online on a forum thread who would point to things such as hurricanes and tornadoes as proof of no gods or spiritual forces (at least not benevolent ones) because of the senseless destruction. They claim both the "bad" and the "good."

These were some very nice people, too, actually (not all atheists are pushy at all, most I've met aren't, actually). I remember this topic coming up over someone on a fan board I go to needing some debate material for a "philosothon" at their school and they were happy to hear my views on such matters, and found my P.O.V. interesting. I shared my "God as author" idea and *didn't* get laughed at, thankfully. It was a very good dialogue until a more Fundamentalist-type Christian came in and started poking at everyone else (including me, if I remember correctly). Then it sort of devolved into a pointless a "vs." type thread and I left it.
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Moongara Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2009
Lucky, I would love to work in a barn. All the people I have ever dealt with in/around barns have always been so nice...retail, not so much.

For my strange way of thinking, storms can be either good or bad. Often they are over all good, either because the area needs rain (*cough* Austin *cough*) or it makes humans rebuild strong and better. Or it can be overall bad because it brings out the worst in humans...mostly the politicians in the effected area.

I am going to guess that "God as the Author" is similar to "God as the Watchmaker", which is the line of reasoning I am very familiar with. Fundamentalist Christians are normally very bad Christians, if you look in the Bible. They are like the men who would pray in the streets very loudly that Jesus wasn't impressed with, shall we say.
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Shadsie Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
After getting into another pointless argument with a stranger on the Intertubes:

I've become *convinced* that anyone who freely labels *themselves* as "militant" is just using a code word for "I'm bigoted and will deny that I'm bigoted because I think my prejudice is fact!"

And for all the "being about social justice and morals" that self-proclaimed "militants" tout? I don't think they're nearly as interested in that as they are in trying to tear down others and feeling superior to others. I'm fairly free in talking about being on the "progressive" end - a Christian who likes seperation of church and state, is favorable to gay rights, etc. Yet, I've had people tell me that I *couldn't* be a Christian because I believed in Love and Peace, or... because I had non-Christian friends...

It makes me think that they really don't *care* as much about "social equity/social progression" as much as they do just fitting people who dissagree with them into a box.

And you being a Pagan, I imagine that you get it even worse, sometimes.

I used to be fairly Fundmanetalist, years ago, so I know how that mindset works, too - you get so concerned and focused about getting to Heaven/"believing right" that you fail to consider other people, and that they may have reasons for their own views.

I think that's what's wrong with humans in general - we fail to consider others, to dare to see other people as being just as human and complex as we are individually - whether our obession is this religion, that religion, lack thereof or... fandom shipping! - Just anything.
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Moongara Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2009
I have dealt with the militant sort...they are really the worst sort of Christian. I thought Christianity was Love and Peace...well Love and Peace and setting a good example, with a little charity work thrown in for good measure.

I think there are two sorts of Fundamentalist Christians. Those who really believe they are doing what is best, trying to save other people's souls and those who love being the Holier-Than-Thou because its good for their egos.
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