Fuck no, Shads. FUCK no. That's all I can say.

You, of all people, Shadsie, listening to /the world/..? Honestly. *Smacks* Stoppit. Now.

If you want to know, I believe in a 'higher power' as well.

Frankly, the things you are saying here are making me really livid -at the world. (Like I didn't already hate what humanity is in general enough. ><; ) It makes me livid -and extremely distraught. At the state the world is in; that you would enter such a debate and find no one else who can share your views is just really...really frankly it breaks my heart.

That people have no faith. In anything.

That there are so many people who are atheist or agnostic and-..

...

I'm not sure what fan forum this occurred on, (not Trinut, I hope? ) but if I had to choose sides on this issue in public, I'd probably have some rather strong things to say that would offend some people. So message me in private if you need some reinforcement.

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It has been concluded in an extensive study...

That Vash the Stampede will not die of any bullet wound,

But will in fact die of clogged arteries and liver disease.

*Throws a Vash at'syu, btw*

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It has been concluded in an extensive study...

That Vash the Stampede will not die of any bullet wound,

But will in fact die of clogged arteries and liver disease.

How would believing in a higher power make you a waste of life? I don't see how that reason alone would make your life worthless. If you believe in something bigger, wouldn't that make your life more worth living?

It's a tough time for anyone, Christians and non-Christians alike, to believe in the supernatural. For some reason or another it's become popular to be cynical and disdainful of such beliefs. But just because it's popular doesn't mean it's right. And what do they know, anyway? Once they've been to the edge of the universe and back, then I'll believe that what they say is right.

Just keep on truckin'.

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I'm an athiest. I have huge respect and envy for people who believe. It's certainly not a waste.

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People who can't accept others... that's truly a waste, no matter which side someone's on. I know it's not easy to block them out, especially when you're trying to be open-minded, but as frustrating and hurtful as it may be, that's where you have to try to just back off. They won't be reasoned with and it's not worth the effort trying to keep reasoning with them if they can't see anything beyond the own views.

You're not a waste of life. There's just no reasoning with them.

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Please, please don't get involved. It's actually evolved into an interesting (if circular) discussion, and I wasn't the only believer on the thread (though we were outnumbered). It was on FandomSecrets, actually - a stupid LJ where people post marco-pictures and text stating, anoymously, their deep, dark secrets that they fear fandom would lynch them for or something.

Someone made a secret about creating a fake religion out of Pokemon (which was really funny! ) but, unfortunately, they included a stab at Scienology. Someone decided to be all "edgy" and make a point about stabbing on little-understood religions saying "If you had to pick something riduculous, why not the Bible?"

Ooh, boy. I saw the person's point, but was annoyed that they (if they had to make that kind of stab at all) that why weren't they more inclusive? (Scientology and Christianity are the two things that are the MOST bashed on that community. "I like rape-porn fanfic!" is perfectly acceptable and will get a lot of "Me toos!" but "I follow a religion" gets you lynched). And of course, the comments brought out some of the more... forceful? Militant? Athesits of the board to chime in about how utterly ridiculous Judiasm/Christianity/belief in God without scientific evidence were, anyway. I mean, basically saying we were all delusional, basically "Christianity=Scientology=all cults=all religion," and that anybody who followed it was a "gullible type," God being a "childish fear," equivalent of the monster under the bed...

And getting several things about Christianity (specifically) WRONGO but, I don't think the wanted to be corrected.

The disscussions are actually pretty interesting - I don't think anybody was trying to make a personal attack on people, it was all a civil affiar and I could imagine us all drinking tea or something, but... I don't think they meant to make anyone feel worthless and horrible, but they did.

I've atheist and agnostic friends who aren't like this, who are respectful, who understand that faith isn't the same as gullibility, stupidity or cultishness. I'm glad they keep me from developing sterotypes from dealing with people on these boards where something funny in fandom quickly becomes SRS BIZNZ.

I'd really like the thread to do so I don't have to reply to people... and I can just never go there again. I've found, in general, LJ fandom communities COMPLETELY SUCK.

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Scavengers:
They that hunt what is already dead
and take that which has already been taken.

[link] - Bone Art and High Fantasy.

I never planned on getting -involved- per se. Just wanted to be here to give you a pat on the back and let you know that I'm part of the minority as well.

So -pats on back- :3

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It has been concluded in an extensive study...

That Vash the Stampede will not die of any bullet wound,

But will in fact die of clogged arteries and liver disease.

YOU'RE NOT A WASTE OF LIFE!
YOU ARE TOO AWESOME! AND MAYBE YOU FAIL TO SEE IT!!!!



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Haven't heard from you in a while!

Yeah, it's just... I wish people had more respect for one another, you know? I think people just love their sterotypes so much that when they run into someone who doesn't fit some of them, all they can do continue trying to fit that person into them or dismissing them.

And I'm damn sick of the whole "belief in God" by default = less intelligent, less capable, gullible, hateful, etc. idea. It seems to be the "cool" thing to believe nowadays, too.

I thank you for not being that way... I mean, it's people like you that *keep me* from thinking "Atheist = unimaginative, (holier)-than-though, pompous, mean." Considering some of the people I've dealt with, I could *easily* slip into that, but I know it's wrong and folks like you remind me of that.

Beliefs are a very personal thing and people are just too complicated to fit into "all = cult" and such that people try to do.

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Scavengers:
They that hunt what is already dead
and take that which has already been taken.

[link] - Bone Art and High Fantasy.